skin prep

Re: skin prep

xhappysvn21x — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:23:04 GMT

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I remember hibicet - thought it had been discontinued years ago tho

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funny something that has been discontinued years ago still comes up in exams. irritating

Re: skin prep

Nick Shackleton — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:39:59 GMT

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Do you make your Hibitane/spirit/water up daily? How long does it keep for made up?

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We used to make up 5 litres which would last for a couple of weeks.

With regards to toxicity in kitties. I've been told that if its not diluted correctly or used on open wounds. Plus oral ingestion can cause problems too.

Re: skin prep

Wallace — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:39:07 GMT

Do you make your Hibitane/spirit/water up daily? How long does it keep for made up?

Re: skin prep

sisterscope1 — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:20:18 GMT

I thought so too.

Wondering if the speaker was getting confused with hexachlorophene, it is a bisphenol, and was used as an antiseptic for skin prepping - again didn't think was available anymore in UK.

Re: skin prep

Sal the 1st — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:14:59 GMT

I remember hibicet - thought it had been discontinued years ago tho

Re: skin prep

sisterscope1 — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:11:20 GMT

Just remembered the name, HibiCET containing chlorhexidine gluconate and cetrimide is another skin prep agent, but didn't think it existed anymore?! I vaguley remember it was orange and smelt funny.

Re: skin prep

sisterscope1 — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 22:07:12 GMT

Hibitane, chlorhexidine gluconate is NOT a phenolic compound, it is a bisdiguanide. Savlon contains chlorhexidine gluconate and benzalkonium chloride (cetrimide), cetrimide can cause severe irritation and ulceration in cats and should not be used - cetrimide is not a phenol either as it happens. Cats have low levels of the liver enzyme glucoronide transferase that is responisible for the metabolism of absorbed phenols.

Who was the speaker?

Re: skin prep

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:20:06 GMT

Thank heavens -- not just me then !

Re: skin prep

Nick Shackleton — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:06:22 GMT

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Hi Nick

Question for ya -- one of my colleagues went to a bvna cpd last weekend and was told by the speaker that Hibitane was toxic to cats as it's a phenol (like Dettol) and we shouldn't be using it

I did a lot of research recently into skin prep (mainly from this site to be honest !) plus Coshh datasheets etc and I can't find anything to confirm it, we use the hibitane as a final skin wash before op and dilute it as you advise above

Have you heard anything ?

Cheers

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I have never heard this at all. am off to trawl through books and internet!

Re: skin prep

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:00:07 GMT

Hi Nick

Question for ya -- one of my colleagues went to a bvna cpd last weekend and was told by the speaker that Hibitane was toxic to cats as it's a phenol (like Dettol) and we shouldn't be using it

Have you heard anything ?

Cheers

Re: skin prep

Phrin Vernon RVN — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:13:17 GMT

Spirit first to degrease the skin, follwed by a gentle scrub with neat hibi and damp cotton wool swabs for 5 mins, (hibi applied to swabs directly before use), in a bicycle spoke or spiral pattern, follwed by spirit again, and finally a chlorohexadine/70% alcohol solution is pained on with lint free swabs and left for 3 mins contact time.

After reading up on it, talking to tutors and checking with manufacturers, this is the scrub routine I am most comfortable with.

Re: skin prep

Nick Shackleton — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:21:55 GMT

Hibiscrub and water diluted 50/50 bicycle spoke action using swabs (as these are lint free).

followed by a spray of Hibitane/water/spirit mix

followed by bicycle spoke action with dry swabs

then repeat spray with the above spray.

to make 100mls of spirit/water/hibitane mix:

15mls Hibitane + 10mls water + 75mls Surgical spirit.

we used to make it up in 5 litre bottle

Re: skin prep

Sal the 1st — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:14:31 GMT

[quote user="Kerry Haigh RVN A1 Cert SAN MBVNA"]

If I remember correctly then doesn't cotton wool inhibit the hibiscub if it has been on contact with it a long time??

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that was my understanding too

Re: skin prep

Kerry Spain — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:45:05 GMT

Surgical spirit.

If I remember correctly then doesn't cotton wool inhibit the hibiscub if it has been on contact with it a long time??