Renal Failure in Kittens

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Busy bee — Tue, 18 May 2010 21:09:33 GMT

Thats that theory out the window then! Must have ingested summat I reackon... the only similar cases I can think of are with siamese with hereditary renal complications. Sorry to be no help!

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Catherine Raymond — Tue, 18 May 2010 21:04:19 GMT

No, it was just a moggy

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Busy bee — Tue, 18 May 2010 21:01:06 GMT

[quote user="Catherine Raymond"]

Lost a kitten today that after doing GHP bloods had renal failure. Was fine three weeks ago, then went down hill. Lost 200g in just a few days. Had been on antibiotics, being fed every couple of hours as appetite was not too good. Owner fantastic lady who has done everything that was asked, and then understandably heartbroken today with the news of renal failure. Not ashamed to say that I was in tears too!

Does anyone have any experience of this happening in other kittens?

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So sad - poor thing. Out of interest was it a siamese?

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Vicky RVN — Tue, 18 May 2010 18:30:54 GMT

[quote user="Claire 'Duke' York RVN MBVNA"]

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]

I wouldn't want my animal pm'd. Having had to do a proper one at uni which included removing the brain it's just not something I'd want doing. Yes it would be nice to know what they died of but at the end of the day there is nothing you can do to bring them back and I'd rather not have them cut up.

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I second that

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I third that....as much as answers are sometimes nice, they can't bring your beloved pet back so i'd rather let them be at peace. It all comes down to personal preference though.

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Claire Cameron — Tue, 18 May 2010 11:32:28 GMT

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]

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I second that

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Sal the 1st — Tue, 18 May 2010 10:59:08 GMT

being an inquisitive person myself I would be the first to admit that sometimes a pm will give you answers to your questions, but not always

however those answers come at a cost both financially and emotionally. If the owner requests it fair enough but if not its a bad enough job being the bearer of bad news without suggesting pm as well. - its just too much for some people to take. ( and I am talking from both sides as well as the client being very upset it can be pretty soul destroying for the vet as well )

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Kim Buckley — Tue, 18 May 2010 10:08:48 GMT

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Mac Feather — Tue, 18 May 2010 09:55:02 GMT

[quote user="StephB"]maybe owner was upset enough without having kitten hacked up as well?[/quote]

Have been in situations where a p.m has been suggested to clients and majority of the time the clients have actually used those words- 'I dont want him/her hacked up'.

I have to say I find p.m useful at times but when it comes down to it Im not sure I would be able to let someone do one on my animals-would depend on circumstances etc etc.

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Anonymous — Tue, 18 May 2010 00:17:06 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

sorry wasnt meant nastily at all - was just an observation that maybe pm wasnt carried out because owner didnt want it?

whilst it would be interesting to find the cause a pm may not have given a definitive answer. whilst it might give an indication on the condition of vital organs it may not in all cases be able to give an indication on what caused an organ to fail.

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surely if that was the case the OP would have said this? But they didn't so I continued to reply... I was only asking how they came about with their diagnosis of how the kitten died and why they thought it was renal failure. I then asked if they hadn't done a PM why not do one to see what they find. I'm fully aware of the possible outcomes of a pm and that they are not always telling. but they're still fascinating and sometimes very enlightening.

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 17 May 2010 23:18:31 GMT

sorry wasnt meant nastily at all - was just an observation that maybe pm wasnt carried out because owner didnt want it?

whilst it would be interesting to find the cause a pm may not have given a definitive answer ( but would have given the owner the added expense ) . whilst it might give an indication on the condition of vital organs at the time of death it may not in all cases be able to give an indication on what caused an organ to be in that condition or fail.

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 23:14:06 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

maybe owner was upset enough without having kitten hacked up as well?

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how the hell has me asking if there was a pm turned into that?? wtf

if it were me i would want to know what the heck happened. but that's just me and WHY I asked if there was a pm.

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Sal the 1st — Mon, 17 May 2010 22:54:20 GMT

maybe owner was upset enough without having kitten hacked up as well?

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SmegSlayer — Mon, 17 May 2010 22:45:01 GMT

maybe it had a congenital renal defect such as renal aplasia (when 1 or both kidneys are not present at birth), renal dysplasia (when 1 or both kidneys develop abnormally) or renal hypoplasia (when 1 or both kidneys have a decreased number of nephrons that function correctly).

Only way to know would be PM

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 22:24:20 GMT

[quote user="Steph Worsley RVN MBVNA"]

i think with the blood/urine results it can be safely assumed that the kit had renal failure without needing to go for pm as well

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um, ok. i guess it wouldn't be interesting to find out what might have been the catalyst for the renal failure, possibly another organ not doing it's job, or deformity or getting a tox screen. sorry i like science... i was dissecting caterpillars at 8 and had my own microscope! :P

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Steph Worsley — Mon, 17 May 2010 22:01:59 GMT

i think with the blood/urine results it can be safely assumed that the kit had renal failure without needing to go for pm as well

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Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:59:24 GMT

[quote user="Catherine Raymond"]

Bloods and urine. Very high urea,creatinine and phos with very dilute urine.

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So no pm then, did the owner not want a pm? is it possible it was a birth defect that went bad? sad poor kit :(

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Steph Worsley — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:27 GMT

hmm ARF still sticks in the front of my mind as the kitty seemed well 3 weeks ago. when did it start going off food/on ab's? and why was it started on abs?

sorry for all the questions I am just trying to piece together the timeline of events

Re: Renal Failure in Kittens

Catherine Raymond — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:22:13 GMT

nothing toxic as far as the owner could find. Went through the rooms had access to and nothing came up, RF diagnosed today.

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Catherine Raymond — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:21:17 GMT

Bloods and urine. Very high urea,creatinine and phos with very dilute urine.

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Steph Worsley — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:21:14 GMT

Sorry to hear this

did the kitty have any access to anything toxic...lillies, ethylene glycol, onions etc? as they could cause acute renal failure.

unsure when the rf was diagnosed from your post was it today or a little bit ago?

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Anonymous — Mon, 17 May 2010 21:19:39 GMT

[quote user="Catherine Raymond"]

Does anyone have any experience of this happening in other kittens?

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Do you know it was renal failure from a pm or just bloods?