Royal Canin calm diet

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

sarah rogers — Sat, 08 May 2010 16:52:18 GMT

Hi my dog is currently on long term zylkene due to him starting to stress in the car when left (when im at work) after he had 2 TPLO ops and lack of exercise (hes a terrier!!) he started to become very vocal, destructive and get him self in quite a mess, i tried DAP, skull cap which never seemed to make a difference. but the zylkene is amazing!! hes a much calmer dog now, hes been on zylkene for about a year. I tried to take him off it but after 2 weeks of none he became a complete mess.

I do have a nightmare getting the zylkene into him- he currently has milk on his breakfast for him to eat it!!

I have had a brief look into the calm food, but my concern is the amount of food they recommened to feed, and i presume you would have to feed the Recommended amount in order to have a calming effect??

they recommened for my dog whose 10kg 2 royal canin cupfulls- there is no way my dog would eat this much!! he currently has a mug of JWB!!

so think i may just stick with the zylkene!

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Louise B — Tue, 04 May 2010 17:35:22 GMT

Hahhahahahahaha

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Claire Cameron — Tue, 04 May 2010 14:25:49 GMT

[quote user="Vicky SVN"]

[quote user="Princess Ophelia Hermione MacBeth"]

E.g. Eat too many carrots and human skin turns orange.

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So THAT'S his excuse

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LOLOL

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Vicky RVN — Tue, 04 May 2010 13:39:50 GMT

[quote user="Princess Ophelia Hermione MacBeth"]

E.g. Eat too many carrots and human skin turns orange.

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So THAT'S his excuse

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Vicky RVN — Tue, 04 May 2010 13:39:49 GMT

[quote user="Princess Ophelia Hermione MacBeth"]

E.g. Eat too many carrots and human skin turns orange.

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So THAT'S his excuse

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

loobylou — Tue, 04 May 2010 12:52:45 GMT

Hmmm.......I managed to quote and not put my reply on!

Wonder what I was going to say.............

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Louise B — Tue, 04 May 2010 12:42:28 GMT

I cannot comment on this diet as the first I heard of it was through this website but it is well documented that food can alter coat/feather/skin colour.

E.g. The reddness of some birds feathers is due to the amount of antioxidants that they have consumed and the female bird will use reddness as one piece of evidence of how 'fit' the male is.

E.g. Eat too many carrots and human skin turns orange.

Its fascinating to geeks like me

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Alison Daff — Tue, 04 May 2010 12:18:40 GMT

You didnt make it up - Some diets contain amino acid Tyrosine ( with sufficient copper) which has an effect on pigment. Interesting fact - the enzyme tyrosinase ( for melanin production and tyrosine production) only works at low temperatures in Siamese cats, hence areas like the feet and tail are coloured because they are relatively colder!

Sandra - Message me your postal adress and I will post you the booklet of all the studies on Calm.

Ali

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

loobylou — Sun, 02 May 2010 14:12:16 GMT

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN"]

Oh dear I was having abit of rant last night! lol

Yes there is supposed to be something in it to stop that burt orangey coat...., but 25yrs of owning rotties, and guess what I never had a burnt orangey coat yet, and i never fed this diet.., you can get coat changes due to hormones, and this can change the colour as well as the texture, and I know there food does not have something in it to counteract that. Also that burt orangey coat look.... I always get the impression when looking at the dogs that have it, are not a good representation of their breed ...in the looks dept...ie a bit of cross breeding in there somewhere.

Anyway seond rant over BTW Hi loubylou

A good diet..........ie any diet, regular exercise and grooming will keep most coats(hormones excluded) maintained.

AS I said before, gimmicky foods.... not buying it.

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Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Claire Cameron — Sun, 02 May 2010 13:11:54 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

a bit of useless info for anybody that is interested - L tryptophan was used in both ww1 and ww2 as a possible treatment for shell shock and some studies suggest it was sometimes very effective

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wow very interesting sal thanks

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 01 May 2010 19:47:47 GMT

[quote user="loobylou"]

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN"]

[quote user="adaff"] Both have been trialled and shown to help cats and dogs with stressful situations. It can be fed long term[/quote]

And do you have these trial results to hand? I am all for trialing, ...... , but one of the things with the breed specific diet for Rottweilers.... by Royal Canin is ..... it keeps their coat black!!!!!!!!!!!! ...... how the hell do they know that..., sorry but you would have to test a species over a multitude... and I am not talking single figures here....., years for that to be proven.. and it would have to be done under strict experimental procedures.... so are you telling me for each breed specific diet, you have done trials for each breed specific... whether it be disorder, or "coat clolour"?, and where have you kept said animals???? because if it was not within a lab setting, then how the hell do you know that your "trial" was actually under proper experimental conditions? Sorry I am not convinced, I stand by my principles...... reps will sell their soul to the devil for a sale.. and I am not buying it

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I'm sure our rcw rep told us all the diets have something in them to stop dark coats going that orangey 'burnt' colour. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called but they saying how all the doets have fatty avids in for skin etc and this came up. Will be interesting to see what it was.......or if Ive completely made it up in my head

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Oh dear I was having abit of rant last night! lol

Anyway seond rant over BTW Hi loubylou

A good diet..........ie any diet, regular exercise and grooming will keep most coats(hormones excluded) maintained.

AS I said before, gimmicky foods.... not buying it.

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

loobylou — Sat, 01 May 2010 18:16:03 GMT

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN"]

[quote user="adaff"] Both have been trialled and shown to help cats and dogs with stressful situations. It can be fed long term[/quote]

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Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Laura Ringsell — Sat, 01 May 2010 17:43:54 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

a bit of useless info for anybody that is interested - L tryptophan was used in both ww1 and ww2 as a possible treatment for shell shock and some studies suggest it was sometimes very effective

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Wow that is really interesting - I will remember that one - thanks Sal

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Vicky RVN — Sat, 01 May 2010 13:34:29 GMT

[quote user="Phrin SVN"]

I've never heard of this diet, but then we are a Hills practice!

I have had good results with my own pooch and zylkene though! Although I doubt I would have stuck it out with her if I hadn't been getting it at cost (which is still pricey enough!)

Basically, after showing no fear of loud noises before, she got totally freaked out last bonfire night, and started showing nervous behaviour, hiding, trembling etc at all sorts of things she wans't worried about before - windscreen wipers and 'loud' telly being the main ones. She was on zylkene for about 4 months, and has been off it for about 6 weeks, and seems fine now!

It does take a while to work though! I think its recommended to start about 2 months before firework time at the latest. I'm no behaviour specialist mind - just had good results with my pooch so wanted to share :)

Its also good that its GSL, so doesn't need a vet to prescribe

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I used Zylkene for Jack for sudden noise phobia, worked very well He's still a little nervy but 99% better It started when a car drove fast past us and hit a wooden bollard, bits of the car flew off (narrowly missing us) and there was a loud bang. It made me jump out of my skin, so poor little Jack must have been terrified lower down! He then REFUSED to walk near roads - had to get in the car and drive to the forest/beach for every walk! I spoke to my behaviourist, she recommended Zylkene and training tips, now he'll walk fine and cross the busy duel carriageway we cross every day to go to the beach. He does pull away slightly when lorries/boy racers drive past, but it's so much better so i'm happy with what Zylkene has done

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:14:58 GMT

[quote user="adaff"] Both have been trialled and shown to help cats and dogs with stressful situations. It can be fed long term[/quote]

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

dinkyd — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:00:51 GMT

I think i can see where they are coming from - the idea is good but whether it works or not.....

Many owners do believe that certain foods send their dogs loopy - a few well known brands heehee so maybe this is the market they are trying to target?

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Sal the 1st — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:20:40 GMT

a bit of useless info for anybody that is interested - L tryptophan was used in both ww1 and ww2 as a possible treatment for shell shock and some studies suggest it was sometimes very effective

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Laura Ringsell — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:00:54 GMT

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN"]

Unless it contains valium, it probably wont! Sorry but I am not convinced with all these gimmick diets!

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Whatever next -I wonder what the manufacturers of zylkene have to say about it. I do think there comes a point when too much choice is not a good thing and doesn't this risk self diagnosis to a point as well - not sure how convinced clients would be either.

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Alison Daff — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:05:44 GMT

Calm contains 2 ingredients which help with stress - alpha casezpine (the hydrolsyed milk protein) and L-tryptophan. Both have been trialled and shown to help cats and dogs with stressful situations. It can be fed long term

In terms on use of DAP/Feliway they can be used alongside each other, They have completely different actions and can complement each other.

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

dinkyd — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:51:36 GMT

LOL yea the whole time thing with vets seems to have been forgotten!Get so many clients wondering why it hasnt worked.....Was discharging a dog just last week and its a really bad traveller so the vet prescribed Zylkene for travelling over to us ......Owner said made no difference and they were quite upset about this so i asked how long the dog had been on it for.........3 DAYS!!!!

Politely told them not long enough to have any effect!Just wish when these products come out that people use them correctly and effectively instead of giving the owners false hope!

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:07:17 GMT

Oh, and I shall probably put her back on it in Sept time, for the upcoming fireworks - will let you know then how it works!

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:05:56 GMT

I've never heard of this diet, but then we are a Hills practice!

I have had good results with my own pooch and zylkene though! Although I doubt I would have stuck it out with her if I hadn't been getting it at cost (which is still pricey enough!)

Its also good that its GSL, so doesn't need a vet to prescribe

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Louise B — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:10:38 GMT

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Our rep told us there was no need to use Feliway/DAP if using this diet...my thoughts are, surely not? They are different things, and work in different ways

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You are right Vicky!

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:07:50 GMT

[quote user="Vicky SVN"]

Our rep told us there was no need to use Feliway/DAP if using this diet...my thoughts are, surely not? They are different things, and work in different ways

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Reps would sell their grannie to get a sale Vicky! and they would say anything too IMHO

Re: Royal Canin calm diet

Vicky RVN — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:57:14 GMT

Our rep told us there was no need to use Feliway/DAP if using this diet...my thoughts are, surely not? They are different things, and work in different ways