Zylkene - I now have a drugged dog!!

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Louise B — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:44:12 GMT

Thanks for not minding

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Nikki Morris — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:24:07 GMT

I don't mind! :)

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Anonymous — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:58:28 GMT

i don't mind.

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Vicky RVN — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:57:10 GMT

I don't mind!

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Louise B — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:52:58 GMT

Hi,

Please can I have everybody (who posted on this thread)'s permission to cross post this thread to another professional veterinary behaviour discussion forum? There is a member on there who is interested in how well zylkene works.

Thanks.

Please could you post under this post to say "I don't mind"

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Claire Pointing — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:12:36 GMT

[quote user="NJagait"]

Does Zylkene have an effect on the Thyroid gland? I tested my dog the other day and his result was 12 (the range for borderline low is 10-20). I decided to test it as ever since he was 'drugged' by the Zylkene, he has become lethargic etc and has all the signs of a Hypothyroid dog.

[/quote]Zylkene shouldn't effect the thyroid gland at all - it is simply a small protein.

Did you also test the TSH level as well as the T4 as both together are needed to establish hypothyroidism. Lots of other things can lower the T4.

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Jack — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:10:55 GMT

I wouldn't of thought so, going by the info on the product. I'd call your rep and ask if you want some peace of mind.

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Nikki Morris — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:46:10 GMT

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Fiona Leathers — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:40:30 GMT

Wouldn't like to pill that cat!!

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Erica Huggins — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:34:22 GMT

Hi, It is recomended that the drug be given ideally 2 days before any pre-emptive 'stressful' situation; it can be given on the day. In terms of effects, it is not meant for dogs with medium to high stress to noise phobias and so products such as xanax are recomended. Zylkene can be used in conjuction to help reduce stress levels, much in the same way as DAP can, as there are no contraindications.;as it is a milk protien that the dogs/cats have lost the ability to produce since being weaned. I have used it on numerous occasions and have found it to be very useful. I can only prseume the sedative like qualties that some dogs are experiencing are just that they are too chilled out?! (obviously not an expert on this, but it is only milk protien!)

The reason for using zylkene over products such as Xanax are;

It is licenced under the veterinary casscade.

It is useful as it helps with retaing memories when used in conjustion with cognative rehablitation, obviously if their is a highly level of anxiousness in an unpredicable situation especially with noise phobias retaining memories is not always ideal so Xanax which prevents memories being laid down it then ideal. (however Xanax has to be used off licenced but is often the most appropriate and effective 'drug' of choice)

The most successful use of Zylkene I have is for a self mutilating cat. Physically healthy and no obvious caused for his excessive grooming other than 'feline stress' Feliway calmed him down slighlty but once on zylkene all problems have ceased. We tried weaning him off and he started overgrooming again. So he is on them perminatly with no side effects apart from purring.

I know they also use Zylkene in treating feline stress in captive lions.

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Vicky RVN — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:10:34 GMT

I have used Zylkene on Jack. He had become terrified of cars, he was happy to go in them but was scared of walking anywhere near them if they were moving. It was due to a car hitting a wooden bollard which made a loud bang. He would refuse to walk and would stand shaking if there were any cars around. The Zylkene did seem to help him get over it, along with some training. He's still nervy of loud/big vehicles but SO much better than before.

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Claire Pointing — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:54:06 GMT

We have been asked to comment on this thread by Jennie Watson of JCA Media (who host this site), regarding the apparent sedation of your Cocker Spaniel following administration of Zylkène this year, but not the previous year when it helped your dog to manage stress during the fireworks period .

I am Claire Pointing one of the technical veterinary surgeons at Intervet Schering/Plough, I am responsible for Zylkène.

Just to clarify - Zykène contains alpha-casozepine - which is part of the milk protein casein. It is produced by a process that only occurs in newborns but has the same effect in adults. It is lactose free and hypoallergenic.

Zylkène has been proven not to have any sedative properties so it is surprising to hear of this effect in your dog. Zylkène has calming, stress-relieving properties but it does not sedate or block memory which is why it is a very useful product in managing firework stress for many dogs and cats.

For most animals the recommended daily amount is 15mg/kg. However, we know from clinical trials that there are a few animals where a lower amount – 7mg/kg – is effective at managing stress, although these dogs do not show a sedation-type response at the 15mg/kg amount. I would suggest trying the lower amount this year for your dog, and please do let us know how you get on.

If you would like any further information or to discuss your dog in more detail then please call us on 01908 685685.

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Fiona Leathers — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:19:27 GMT

I knew someone would tell me I was wrong!!

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Anonymous — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:27:14 GMT

[quote user="Bouncyfi"]

If you read some of the bumph from ISP, the animal needs to be on Zylkene for a minimum of 1 month for it to make any difference. Alrthough when I used it on my dog, I had her on it for 3 months with no difference and called the rep who said I obviously hadn't tried it for long enough!!!

I am not a fan of Zylkene - have used it on my own dog & various others for fireworks & general anxiety and got nothing back from it!! It's basically milk, in powder form!! (minus a protein or something before someone tells me I'm wrong)

Start using DAP or scullcap & valerian - you'll get much better results!!

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milk minus the sugars and still has the protein was the way i understood it. I've had great results with my ocicat.

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Lucy Brett — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:41:54 GMT

I have a cocker that gets friction burns on her noise in the winter when the ground is hard. She is a bit of a genius.

Lucy

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Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:24:52 GMT

[quote user="NJagait"]

We named him before we knew how crackers he really was!!

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yeah i know what you mean- ours varies from 'whizzy izzi' to 'dizzy izzi' depending on what mood she is in!!

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christinam — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:57:26 GMT

I've used it twice on my pets.

On my own cat who is a nervous, but loving lad, nope nothing!

And on my parents dog, who is an ex stray, lap dog, litlle/ bigdog syndrome , nervous aggressive - just attacked a little bit softer, took a bit longer!!

But have got a few aggressive cats / urinating issue cats clients on it, all with very good results.

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Nikki Morris — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:24:19 GMT

We named him before we knew how crackers he really was!!

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Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:35:44 GMT

[quote user="NJagait"]very drugged up 'Twister' the Cocker [/quote]

hmm think i might take some of this home for my cocker who thinks she is a twister!!!!

imagine the peace and quiet! knowing my luck it would have the opposite effect and i would be stuck with the tazmanian devil until it wore off!!

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Fiona Leathers — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:06:39 GMT

Start using DAP or scullcap & valerian - you'll get much better results!!

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Kerry Spain — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:13:48 GMT

also had a few reports at work of sleepy animals after dosing with Zylkene

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Louise B — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:25:20 GMT

Hi,

I have had that side-effect a few times with my collie X. It occurs in him when I double the recommended dose (or more). He seems slightly 'drunk' under these circumstances. I don't take him off the medication afterwards and am happy to see this 'side effect' as I know that he is going to be pretty calm for a while. There doesn't appear to be any longterm effect of the increased dose.

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Nikki Morris — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:48:43 GMT

I was going to leave off them for a few days. i will see how he is tomorrow - poor thing has one problem after another...hes only 18m old and also has bilateral HD

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loobylou — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:46:34 GMT

Dont suppose you have the insert to check what it says re side effects?
You could try calling your rep to see if they have any similar reactions or if they recommend lowering the dose?

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Nikki Morris — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:44:12 GMT

The correct dose for him is 1x 225mg SID. He was on them last year, but they didnt have this sort of effect!