Canine Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome

Re: Canine Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome

Kim Buckley — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:33:35 GMT

Millie has gone super weird! She keeps barking at nothing in the garden and pooing in the house overnight. Don't know what to do with her really

Re: Canine Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome

Anna Rayne — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:49:51 GMT

ps - apparently phenobarb can make them worse - originally it was thought to be a sort of epilepsy hence the name now they realise it's not just episodes can appear a bit like them.

pps Isla thinks carrots are great too!

Re: Canine Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome

Anna Rayne — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:41:55 GMT

Pleased to help, the bt universe are a friendly lot so will be happy to answer questions. From what i've read it's felt strict diet does play a big part in reducing episodes! You won't find the forum if you google it though. I found out about it through word of mouth on the agility circuit!

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]Had a cuddle with a baby border at work today. Was soooo going to steal him![/quote]

I'm jealous now - mines a hairy monster at the moment as she needs stripping soon!

Re: Canine Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome

Kim Buckley — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:37:05 GMT

Thanks Anna!

Millie was really bad with it last night. I wasn't home as I was working but my mum phoned me to say she was licking the carpet and had been sick from all the hair she had eaten. I've completely banned everything from her diet and she has been loads better so I reckon she must have got hold of something that set her off.

Had a cuddle with a baby border at work today. Was soooo going to steal him!

Re: Canine Epileptoid Cramping Syndrome

Anna Rayne — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:32:47 GMT

Hi,

Have a look here www.borderterrier-cecs.com and here http://btuniverse.myfreeforum.org

As a fellow BT owner its something i've heard of from talking to other owners - not something i'd heard of from within the vet world though!Hope this helps.

It's also called Spike's disease after the first dog that it was seen in.

The border terrier universe forum has a subsection in 'Health' on CECS and a link to a website by Spike's owner. There are a few other owners with borders with CECS to talk to on there as well.

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Kim Buckley — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:34:25 GMT

[quote user="*Steph *"]

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]only give Millie carrot as a treat[/quote]

Jess LOVES carrotts.. thats her treat too

[/quote]

They are Millie's favourite! She won't leave me alone when I'm cutting some up for the g pigs!

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Steph Phillips — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:33:08 GMT

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]only give Millie carrot as a treat[/quote]

Jess LOVES carrotts.. thats her treat too

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Kim Buckley — Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:20:54 GMT

I've been at my bf's all weekend but my mum took away all the raw hide in the house and Millie has been loads better! I've bought her some nylabones because she really does love to chew. Hopefully if we keep her diet under close watch she won't be so bad.

In a way I'm quite glad it has come to this because both my mum and my neighbour (who lets the dogs out for us when we are at work) are really bad at giving the dogs all kinds of treats so Millie is slightly tubby. Mum has been reading up about it and has told our neighbour that she can only give Millie carrot as a treat. Should do wonders for her waist line as well as her spikey sessions!

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Steph Phillips — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:42:48 GMT

Aww poor Millie!! is she settled now??

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]Steph I know you said you changed Jess's diet. What do you feed her? [/quote]

Royal Canin Hypoallergenic - seems to agree with her, Her spasms only happen every so often a week, rather than a few times a day.. But if I give her a Raw Hide bone.. blimey, she spasms / shakes loads then!! so I keep her off them too! xx

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Anonymous — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:58:41 GMT

Wow! I love the pic of that dog! so cute eh.

Hi! I'm new on this site and in this forum, just happen to stumble on this discussion. I love dogs and last time our dog (we call him Chubby), keeps on vomiting too. But I'm amaze because before he vomits he dig a hole in the yard and there he put his vomit. Gross but isn't it a peculiar action of a dog? or just common to all canine?

Best regards,

Nurserebecca23

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Kim Buckley — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:31:24 GMT

My poor little Millie was really bad last night and wouldn't stop licking the carpet. I've come down this morning to a pile of vomit in the middle of the living room floor and it's mostly hair (my other dog is moulting big time!)

Thinking about what diet she is on.Steph I know you said you changed Jess's diet. What do you feed her? Mine are currently on James Wellbeloved so it's quite hypoallergenic. She does however eat a lot of raw hide so think I'm going to be taking these away. I feel so sorry for her because she feels bad for being sick on the floor

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Laura Ringsell — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:14:15 GMT

Also never heard of this - this site is so great for learning new things and sharing things that work - especailly when its good ol' nutrition...

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Kim Buckley — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:08:09 GMT

Aww Steph your signature pic is soooo cute! I'll have to get one of my mutt put on.

Maisy what is your pup called?

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Steph Phillips — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:36:21 GMT

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]Thought I would write on this thread as seem to be taking over the panorama one[/quote]

Lol!!

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]she goes into some sort of trance and as soon as I call her she snaps out of it. It is very strange. [/quote]

Thats exactly like Jess!! .. She will lie down on her side (wide awake) and she will have this sort of mild fit.. but its not a fit, her eyes are fine but her whole body twitches really fast.. then i call her - she lifts her head, wags her tail - end of episode! strange!

I googled border terriers and found this syndrome.. Vet has never heard of the syndrome before - he though i'd made it up and told me to put her on diazepam! .. nope! not doing that! so changed her diet first.

I got a video of her episode from my mobile.. how do i upload videos??

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

paula morgan — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:14:19 GMT

i have a number for a woman called Jan Gale that I got from the guy that runs the BT welfare in Scotland, he says she is Spikes expert, I will try and get hold of her this week and report back what she says, my wee boy hasnt had an episode for a wee while now but its horrible when he does! x

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Maisy — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:19:29 GMT

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]

Yeah she's fine! Doesn't do it very often. Aww I'm jealous of your border terrier puppy! I will get one,one day! They are the best dogs ever!!!

[/quote]

I love him, he's fab! He's my first Border terrier, always really liked the ones I've seen in practice as they're such fun little dogs!

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Kim Buckley — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:10:19 GMT

Yeah she's fine! Doesn't do it very often. Aww I'm jealous of your border terrier puppy! I will get one,one day! They are the best dogs ever!!!

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Maisy — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:31:29 GMT

Interesting info as I have recently got a Border Terrier pup and have never heard of this

Hope your dogs' okay Kim.

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Kim Buckley — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:22:42 GMT

Thought I would write on this thread as seem to be taking over the panorama one.

I've got a 3/4 border 1/4 cocker spaniel and she had this funny episode where she licking the carpet and would then walk really slowly and be picking up feet up very high. Took her to see my vet and we ran some bloods on her (full bio chem, haem and bile acid stim) and all came back normal. The vet loves borders as much as I do and said that he had recently read about canine epileptoid cramping syndrome and thinks that is what Millie has.

She has it very mildly if she does have it and it's like she goes into some sort of trance and as soon as I call her she snaps out of it. It is very strange. She isn't on any meds at the moment and I've not changed her diet but if she was to get any worse then I would. She is fed on James Wellbeloved anyway so quite bland stuff. Poor little border terriers!

Oh and she was 8 when first started showing symptoms.

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:20:55 GMT

Brilliant

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Steph Phillips — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:59:12 GMT

Aw thanks sandra.. rufus & cassie are in doggy heaven now .. still my babies though!

I've sent him an email, basically just asking if he is, or have interest in studying the syndrome as it's an inherited disease! we'll see if he replies .. I'll copy and paste his reply when/if I get it! lol

xxx

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:06:57 GMT

Cheers Steph, re my girls, your lot are very beautiful too.

If you e mail him, keep me informed. I will speak to louise.

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Steph Phillips — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:44:32 GMT

[quote user="STRVN"]They are my 2 big girls Circe and Ruby, Ruby is the bigger of the 2 and a bit spoilt, as she has Renal failure and is only 3[/quote]

.. aww, only 3! I hope it's all under control for her.. your girls are bl**dy beautiful :)

[quote user="STRVN"]Louise will know probably when Ava is doing any talks, I know she will probably be at the vetsnow congress, ..not sure when that is though[/quote]

Ah ok, i'll have a look online too :) - I want to email that guy from the link caro put up, but not sure what to say yet.. dont want to come over as being all cheeky lol.. I'll think of something though!

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:10:30 GMT

I am the same, because there is little known about it it intrigues me all the more.

They are my 2 big girls Circe and Ruby, Ruby is the bigger of the 2 and a bit spoilt, as she has Renal failure and is only 3

I have a JRT as well and 4 cats a rabbit and fish.

Louise will know probably when Ava is doing any talks, I know she will probably be at the vetsnow congress, ..not sure when that is though.

Re: canine epileptoid cramping syndrome

Steph Phillips — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:01:31 GMT

That would be fab!!! lol.. Glad I'm not the only one interested in this syndrome.. I think because there is limited info, it makes me all the more curious! esp since I think Jess has it! do you know where I Can get info on any upsoming CPD talks?

Oh by the way... I love your rotties.. that is an awesome picture!!!