Digital Xray set up costs??

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Philip Balchin — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:33:52 GMT

[quote user="denise laughlin"]Without a doubt the main reason I want to get this set up is for the ability to send xrays elsewhere for proper diagnosis,[/quote]

Hi Denise

I hope you don't mind me dropping in on your forum post. As you will see from my profile I represent a company called VetZ Ltd. We provide not only digital X-ray equipment but also imaging software, easyIMAGE. easyIMAGE makes it possible in the simplest way possible, to not only centralise the images and videos from all imaging devices, for example digital camera, flatbed paper scanner, X-ray, Endoscope and Ultrasound movies to CT and MRI, archive everything to ensure it is backed up , but also makes them available from every workstation in the practice and in answer to your quote above, gives the user the ability to send the images via email (in their original format) or burn to CD or DVD. Both DVD/CD or email include a copy of easyIMAGE viewer,which means the recipient does not have to worry about getting software to view the images or video sent to them and there is no need to degrade the images from their original format.

If you would like to discuss this please do not hesitate to contact me .

Thank you for your time everyone

Regards

Phil

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

denise laughlin — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:24:24 GMT

Mmmm interesting CatWoman, that was the answer I was hoping for...Ill be on the look out eventually for a VERY cheap processor so please everyone keep me in mind when you need to get rid of your old machines!!!

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Cat Woman — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:31:00 GMT

Didn't see the point in keeping ours. Would have to keep a supply of chemicals etc too & it would just go to waste & take up valuable space. We have yet to have any real problems that have required a back up developer. We managed to sell our old dev. & accessories to another practice for a few quid.

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Mac Feather — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:20:50 GMT

I think (but cant remember for definate) we kept the processor just in case, I think in general we had a few older bits of equipment in the shed for the 'just in case' moments.

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

denise laughlin — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:33:14 GMT

Hi all, just wondering what all you lucky digital xrayers have done with your automatic processors? Is it standard to just keep the processor lurking in a corner, incase of emergency? Or do you get rid?

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Nick Shackleton — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:37:06 GMT

http://www.celticsmr.co.uk/

Why not contact the above company they have always been helpful whenever I have phoned them!

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

denise laughlin — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:56:05 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

you have probably already thought about this Denise? - would one of the companies help towards sponsering the costs for one or maybe they could provide you with an ex demo machine?

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Just wondering if anyone is particularly friendly with their digital xray people and felt like sussing out the likelihood for a company like that to want to sponsor or at least help get digital set up in Cambodia- (our rescue centre is home to hundreds of other endangered animals in addition to my 107 bears!) if anyone is even remotely sounding interested I can get in touch and start pushing it further...one day when I get time I can start randomly emailing all the companies but soo much to do at the moment.

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

denise laughlin — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:53:48 GMT

thanks for the replies folks..definately worth bearing in mind that the prices may fall in the next couple of years.

Without a doubt the main reason I want to get this set up is for the ability to send xrays elsewhere for proper diagnosis, I have 3 vets, none of which has ever taken or read an xray in their lives and i personally think its pointless anaesthetising animals to xray when there is no chance of a proper diagnosis. With emailing and web discussions they can learn. (we have a fabulous advisory board of highly qualifed zoo vets) We were thinking of getting a volunteer imager out to do a proper workshop with them on diagnostics but we all know how long it takes to be able to read a film properly never mind get up to speed on taking them of a diagnostic quality. They might learn all the theory with a week of workshops but they will not put it into practice enough to gain confidence with practical skills...yes i am aware i could teach them but they have no interest in learning from me (a lowly nurse, they have never even heard of vet nurses before me and refusing to accept that i might be able to teach them something..2 of 3 are still training so without a doubt could still learn a thing or 2 from my years in practice...ah well cest la vie- the best thing i can do is provide as many oppurtunities as i can to help them learn...the old plant a seed and it will grow method.

if any more of you are chatting with your reps from these companys- feel free to find out what the likelihood ofgetting sponsorship maybe?!!

cheers again guys x

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Fiona Leathers — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:39:20 GMT

I had a conversation with someone at BSAVA this year and they said the costs of digital will come down in the next couple years, when the Japanese & Chinese market gets it. They will be able to mass produce & bring costs down to about a fifth of what they are now.

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Stuart Ford-Fennah — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:11:42 GMT

Hi Denise

We made the move over to digital 2years ago now and i wouldnt want to go back, the whole process is so much better, you can even adjust not quite right rads with the software. We tried a few CR systems and found fuji to be the best (also the most expesive) we have a cheaper one whihc uses a barrel scanner and get on well with it. it has different scan settings for different quality pictures and has been very relaible so far.

The main benifits we have found are:
- great filing system - rads can be found very quckly to compare
- less paper fliling
- less time in xray - more tiem to other things
- no nasty chemicals (includeing smell!)
- we use the dark room for something else!

win win situation - except for the ££ whihc i think wasnt too bad but dont think the partners would tell me if i asked.

Stu

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Cat Woman — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:08:13 GMT

Approx £25,000 - this included absolutely everything we have needed for the last year.

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Cat Woman — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:23:56 GMT

Been so busy Denise, that I forgot. Sorry! Will try & remember tomorrow.

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

denise laughlin — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:11:11 GMT

thanks cat woman that would be fantastic if you could find out the costs of what your agfa machine cost, it really is something that I know will be beneficial for us...at the moment I have a non-functioning 20 year old xray machine, no developer, no dark room, no chemicals, no way of disposing of chemicals safely, nobody other than me that knows how to take an xray, and certainly no one that knows how to interpret them...i do however have a huge veterinary support network in australia, hong kong, vietnam and the UK so I feel having the ability to email xrays will be most beneficial!! The cost of digital might be high but versus the cost and time it will take to pay a technician to fix the machine (unlikely that parts can be sourced), set up manual processing from scratch, and then be stuck with noone willing to use the machine or with the ability to interpret the films....

i have definately thought of approaching a company for sponsorship...what supplier did everyone get their digitals from and ill get the begging emails drawn up!!

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Nick Shackleton — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:57:52 GMT

Just a small word of advice thou. If you are gonna send your digital images for 2nd opinions or for a refered case can you add the software for viewing the images with too. We get quite a few where just the images are sent and we don't have to software to view them, therefore making the iamges pointless and unviewable! Sorry rant over lol

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Cat Woman — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:51:55 GMT

We have an Agfa one that we have had for about a year. I love it & if anyone tries to take it away I will chain myself to it! It has only had a couple of minor blips - sorted by switching off & rebooting (only takes a few seconds). After the initial cost of the machine (I will try & find out the cost tomorrow) there are very few running costs. There is no film to buy, or chemicals to worry about. Its so nice to copy rads to disc & send them for second opinions etc (or just e-mail them). Saves so much time I think. & you don't have to poke about in the dark room, grappling about with cassettes that refuse to open & spiders that refuse to leave!

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Fiona Leathers — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:55:19 GMT

I was chatting to a company at BSAVA this year as we were thinking about going digital. It will range between £15 - 65,000 depending on what you want and how much you want to spend!!! They look amazing though and it was great, just playing about with the picture meant you could change the quality, sharpen the image etc, so no more duff films!! NO more changing the chemicals either - my least favourite job!!

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

A Little TLC — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:29:14 GMT

We had one at the wildlife hosp - i looooooove it!!!

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Sal the 1st — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:30:55 GMT

you have probably already thought about this Denise? - would one of the companies help towards sponsering the costs for one or maybe they could provide you with an ex demo machine?

Re: Digital Xray set up costs??

Caro Laithwaite VN — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:31:28 GMT

I was talking late last year to the x-ray guy where l was locuming. He supplied all systems. I commented on the ones l had worked with in digital and one particulaly c**p one.

His reply was that there is 3 types god, mediocre and c**p. Unless you pay big money you won't get a decent system. And you have to be able to justify the cost/x ray. In most cases at the end of the day it is best to stay old fashioned... ie automatic processors.

Places l have worked have kept old fashioned on standby as auto broke so often.