worming protocols

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Fiona Leathers — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:23:35 GMT

Have heard of a case where dog was treated for lung worm and then died a few days later. Owner didn't want post mortem but vet reckons there was such a huge lung worm burden that the dead or dying worms caused the problem! Never heard of anything like it but always possible

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hissycat — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:24:35 GMT

Worried now, we always treat with a seven day course of panacur, which is what it says on the pack.. always seems to have done the job...

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:42:40 GMT

[quote user="Bouncyfi"]

I always thought you could treat with panacur but it had to be a 28 days course, which leads to a lack of owner compliance. But agree that you may have to re-treat if there was a heavy infestation!

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Someone I know had a dog die using that protocol, thats why I mentioned it above.

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Fiona Leathers — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:17:29 GMT

I always thought you could treat with panacur but it had to be a 28 days course, which leads to a lack of owner compliance. But agree that you may have to re-treat if there was a heavy infestation!

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Anonymous — Sun, 24 May 2009 00:54:54 GMT

Ah after doing a bit of reading and surfing it would seem it's a treatment but not necessarily a cure all if the numbers/infestation are high. Treating with Panacur alone might not be sufficiant in heavy infestations.

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Anonymous — Sun, 24 May 2009 00:50:49 GMT

how odd NOAH does not agree...http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Intervet_Schering-Plough/Panacur_18_75_ACU-_Oral_Paste/-29722.html

says it does treat it in cats and dogs

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sun, 24 May 2009 00:25:48 GMT

I was sent somethinfg once from a friend who had a dog die from lungworm........ and the biggest piece of mis information was that panacur treats lungworm.Apparently it is no good for this.I cannot find it on my comp although I know it is there, so will kieep looking and post it up

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gemma — Sat, 23 May 2009 23:23:29 GMT

hey, we have always used milbemax every 3months and advocate 4 weekly, but then a few weeks ago a dog took a really bad reaction (horrendous v+, d+ after taking both at same time.) the data sheet says they should be given 30days apart but that doesnt work cos if you give advocate and wait 30days to give milbemax you are due to give another advocate at same time. we have now changed to advocate every 4weeks as normal and droncit/drontal every 6months. ive only ever seen the one dog taking a reaction and we are not even sure that it was the combination of the 2 drugs, but we changed just incase it happens again. on saying that im still using them both at the same time on my cat and dogs and have never had a reaction.

hope this helps!!

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Shona — Fri, 22 May 2009 22:59:33 GMT

Hello.

We were advised not to use Advocate & Milbemax together. Its something to do with the fact that they both contain Milbemycin.

Our protocol is Advocate monthly & Drontal every 3 months as we are in a rural area.

Hope this helps

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Kathryn Welsh — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:05:05 GMT

We have a massive lungworm problem in our area (epsom/sutton) and we use advocate monthly with drontal every 6months/yearly. Can use milbemax monthly with stronghold but milbemax never full eliminates lungworm! Advocate covers for everything except tapeworm and ticks - hence drontal for tapeworm and if ticks a problem use frontline spray on feet and head every two weeks. Panacur granules for 2weeks are used to treat lungworm. We had an 11month old pup die this week from this parasite!! Please everyone advise owners to worm their dogs especially nosiey pups!!

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Fiona Leathers — Fri, 22 May 2009 17:21:08 GMT

Eating slug & snails isn't the only way to catch lungworm - you can get the larvae in the snail trail too so eating grass could be a possible transmission route, as is drinking out of puddles and lifting toys which have been left out in the garden - at least thats what our Bayer folks say!!!

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Steph Phillips — Fri, 22 May 2009 16:59:04 GMT

Hi Ruby.

Advocate in my opinion is the best product to use for Angiostorngylus Vasorum.. however, you cant prevent A.vasorum, only treat it - I leant that at a Bayer Seminar few months back!

The only way a dog can catch it, is by eatting an effected slug/snail so the dog is unlikely to catch it by eatting grass.. but I guess you never know! lol

Also, I never knew you cant use milbemax / advocate at same time??.. we have and no probs reported.. has anyone had anything reported, like overdosing?

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loobylou — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:46:45 GMT

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does anyone know the dosing intervals for using milbemax for lungworm off the top of their head?

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For treatment its once a week for 4 consecutive weeks.

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Doolally — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:04:17 GMT

does anyone know the dosing intervals for using milbemax for lungworm off the top of their head?

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Saskia Quinn — Sat, 09 May 2009 11:59:29 GMT

I agree with STRVN too. Bayer would have no desire to encourage you to use Milbemax which is made by Novartis incidentally.

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 09 May 2009 00:15:48 GMT

You just wonder if it's Reps putting the sh**s up you, as milbemax is not the same company as Advocate and Drontal??????

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Cat Woman — Fri, 08 May 2009 21:57:22 GMT

When the Bayer rep came to us with lunch etc, she never said anything about not using Advocate with Milbemax. Come on someone - let us know more!!

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Mac Feather — Fri, 08 May 2009 20:33:30 GMT

[quote user="Cat Woman"]

We';ve never heard of not giving milbemax/advocate at the same time - can someone explain more?

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Im interested to hear more too!

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Cat Woman — Fri, 08 May 2009 12:56:13 GMT

We';ve never heard of not giving milbemax/advocate at the same time - can someone explain more?

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MrsP — Fri, 08 May 2009 08:25:08 GMT

We have had massive debates about the advocate/milbemax use and now recommend advocate monthly with drontal plus twice a year.

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Freckle — Fri, 08 May 2009 07:42:13 GMT

our advocate rep advised advocate and drontal plus. the advocate will cover for the lungworm, and the drontal for intestinal worms. they also mentioned about not administering milbemax and advocate together.

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Mrs Dot Dot — Fri, 08 May 2009 01:56:06 GMT

You need to be careful how and when you administer milbemax with Advocate... They shouldn't be given together... I'm pretty sure that milbemax should be given first then 4 days later Advocate applied.... it's all to do with not overdosing on one ingredient, especially in dogs that weigh in at the smaller end of the weight regime for Advocate.... eg dogs that weigh 11kg get given the 10-25kg Advocate and a milbemax, then they are effectively being overdosed... The best thing to do is contact your Advocate Rep.... They came to our practice to give a useful(if not some what scary!) CPD talk with food!

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Cat Woman — Thu, 07 May 2009 21:58:17 GMT

Hi ruby & welcome!

Sounds like the same protocol we would advise. Maybe don't need to do the milbemax as often as quarterly, unless there is a big flea problem. Advocate will cover for the roundworm & the angiostrongylus (?sp) & the tapewromer maybe once yearly. Interesting to see what the others say too.