Very aggressive dog

Re: Very aggressive dog

molladog — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:04:19 GMT

Tend to agree Caro, most vets are catheter + i/v obsessed, (showing my age now as used to use alternative methods regularly in yhe 'old days' lol )

Re: Very aggressive dog

Caro Laithwaite VN — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:41:21 GMT

Instead of worrying about veins are vets not taught to use kidneys for pts in collapsed animals or esp agressive ones. At "place" l used to work this was standard just explain to the owners.

We were actually talking aboout it last night where l am now (locum) boss older vet we think it is a younger thing you have to get a vein and or have to put a catheter in.

Ballcocks reduce the animal stress go in a kidney.

Re: Very aggressive dog

Mark Hedberg — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:52:52 GMT

We had a psycho dog like that; 2 nurses perched carefully on consult table with a midsized lunatic staffie controlling the room. Oddly enough he was fine with them on the table, when they tried to get down he tried to go for them. (The situation is faintly comical now but at the time it was pretty damn serious!)

(reinforcements arrived quickly and dog was restrained.)

Re: Very aggressive dog

Sal the 1st — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:09:32 GMT

[quote user="Selena (Hypnorm) Carnell VN"]we had one recently the owner didnt want to stay, it ended up with a lead being pulled through the corner of a dog, with also a dog catcher on held by a second person we even struggled holding the dog like this and the vet had to use an instrumetn trolley to keep the back end of the dog still to admin the sedator. Iv was a no go so euthatal was given ip until we could get i.c injection. it was traumatic for both us and the dog and not s situation i would like to be in again,

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can identify with this one - year before last very aggressive, very heavy rotti in for investigation - I cannot remember what the diagnosis was but PTS was mentioned as an option. O said no and would like to take the dog home so we reversed the dom. On arrival the owner has changed their mind and has decided would now like PTS on a wide awake dog that is no longer wearing a muzzle and would like nothing more than to kill any human in sight. Not something I will ever forget in a hurry. Ashamed to admit it but I was shaking at the end - and for quite some time afterwards.

Re: Very aggressive dog

Selena Carnell — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:22:55 GMT

we had one recently the owner didnt want to stay, it ended up with a lead being pulled through the corner of a dog, with also a dog catcher on held by a second person we even struggled holding the dog like this and the vet had to use an instrumetn trolley to keep the back end of the dog still to admin the sedator. Iv was a no go so euthatal was given ip until we could get i.c injection. it was traumatic for both us and the dog and not s situation i would like to be in again,

Re: Very aggressive dog

Ilovethebug — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:56:43 GMT

It was give. Dom torb I/m the owner wanted to stay and that was a real struggle we only managed to get 3mls in, it was growling snarling and striking out, the owner was terrified. On e it was half down we gave another 4mls half i/m where even though it was down still thrashed and we t for us amd gave the rest s/c which completley flattened it thank god. But it was really really bad even giving s/c it still turned round nd tried to get us with two of us trying to restrain!!

Re: Very aggressive dog

shakira miles — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:10:49 GMT

Hey what a shame, but these things happen.

It all depends on if the owner wants to watch and see the PTS. If no then a heavy sedation is fine as the pentoject can be given intracardiac with a 1 inch needle no problem. However when the veins collapse it can be a pain, but placing an IV is also ideal to ensure the vein is hit in a dangerous situation. Also I think many people forget, dogs have so many Iv access points! dont forget back legs and jugular too if other veins are collapsed.

The dog needs to be kept as happy as possible and relaxed, I'm sure the dog would have been very wired and acp and bup is useless in many cases let alone this!

Dom and torb work well IM as long as it is a decent enough dose, pretty sure 0.1/10kg it can take a while to work if the dog is wound up and hyperactive and will fight the drugs and you may only get one shot so it needs to be enough. Dog should then be kept in a dark room and his face covered ideally. This can really work wonders, I have worked with many stressed and highly aggressive dogs and a relaxed environment can increase the drugs effects.

Good luck and always put safety first!

Re: Very aggressive dog

Sal the 1st — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:44:29 GMT

we used to use xylazine(Rompun) or acp/paperveretum for really bad dogs.

Re: Very aggressive dog

funkyfish — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:38:36 GMT

Always had particular sedative for this, argh can't think of name right now!! use with Dom it makes it almost impossible for them to become aggressive and makes PTs Much easier! will look up drug now

Re: Very aggressive dog

Julie-Anne Wilson — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:47:19 GMT

Most places I've worked would Dom/Torb if they're really aggressive and ACP/Vet if they're not as bad. I know Dom can collapse the veins but it's still much easier. The problem with ACP is that I've always believed it depends on what state they're in when you give it - if they're worked up, it doesn't do anything!

I did have to help with a PTS on a tiny Jack Russell that took about 2-3mls of Dom before he went down and he was still growling at us as we put the needle in. Every animal is different.

Re: Very aggressive dog

Mark Hedberg — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:41:47 GMT

What did you use for sedation? ACP/bupe in my opinion is pretty useless for hyperaggressive dogs.