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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/utility/feedstylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/f/clinical-discussions/22171/rabbit-anaesthetics</link><description> Hi just wondered what people do for rabbit anaesthetics? What drugs do you use? Also is there any difference in subcut and intramuscular inj for bunnies regarding drug action/ speed ect ? 
 Thanks :P </description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/145335?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:58:49 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:b13953d8-ea12-4dff-869c-95c7746099a7</guid><dc:creator>monkeybrains13</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We clip ear, apply emla cream to ear and leave 20-30mins we also give Zantac p/o, then place Iv catheter when ready to go. Triple combo given via catheter then maintained on iso. Metacam given s/c

:)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/145332?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:37:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:eea48d90-666d-49bb-bdba-833f8df5ba96</guid><dc:creator>Lydia123</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for all these replies, really helpful :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144649?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:50:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:7ba03af6-7714-4708-a19f-b77f368e6f69</guid><dc:creator>Dawns</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;div&gt;This advise is from an educational evening with Ivan Crotaz&amp;nbsp;&lt;span&gt;BVetMed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
MRCVS entitled &amp;quot;surviving rabbit anaesthesia&amp;#39;s&amp;quot; which may offer some ideas:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Lots of options:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;1. Metotomidine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;butorphanol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;/ketamine
combinations c&lt;/span&gt;an be used s/c, im, i/v. Widely used but off licence combination and likely to present higher risks in older
patients or those with pre-existing cardiac or circulatory problems. s/c method allows low stress induction
but is less reliable&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Medetomidine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
0.2mg/kg, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;butorphanol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
0.5mg/kg, ketamine 5-10mg/kg(higher dose rate increases duration of
anaesthesia).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;SC dosage &amp;ndash; takes 10
minutes, support oxygenation.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Atipamezole&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
1mg/kg IM for reversal.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Resedation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; can
occur.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Typically
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;isoflurane&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
ventilation required for airway device placement.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;2.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Fentanyl/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;fluathisone&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; combinations - &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Hypnorm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Licensed combination &amp;ndash; 0.3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;ml
(not mg)/kg &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;ndash;
30-60 minute duration IM injection (NOAH)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;or &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;0.3ml/kg IM, 2mg/kg diazepam IV &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;or IP (IP
can be risky with rabbits)n(NOAH)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Wildlife Information Network &amp;ndash; Wildpro) 0.3mg/kg
IM, wait 5-10 minutes, then give 0.5-2mg/kg midazolam &amp;ndash; use higher end for IM,
lower end for IV, given to effect.&amp;nbsp; IV
provides faster recovery.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Provide oxygen throughout anaesthetic.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Reverse using butorphanol
0.1-0.5mg/kg SC/IM &amp;ndash; good fentanyl reversal but limited analgesia. (Wildpro)&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Relatively slow recovery with these
combinations&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;3.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Propofol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &amp;ndash; 10mg/kg light anaesthesia only from
slow IV.&amp;nbsp; Faster injection of 4-8mg/kg
can be used but greater cardiovascular depression.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Respiratory arrest may occur at
15-20mg/kg.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Do not use with repeated doses &amp;ndash; causes
severe hypotension.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Medetomidine premed
0.35mg/kg IM to provide sedation.&amp;nbsp; Wait
15 minutes then IV propofol via
lateral ear vein. (Wildlife Information Network &amp;ndash; Wildpro)&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Generally &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;unpredicatable&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; and
not necessarily deep enough anaesthesia to gain airway.&amp;nbsp; Rapid recovery in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;unpremedicated&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
cases.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;4.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Alfaxan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; (10mg/ml)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;6-9mg/kg IV, 9mg/kg IM &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;(Wildlife
Information Network &amp;ndash; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Wildpro&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Premedicate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; with buprenorphine (0.03mg/kg).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Preoxygenate&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Slow IV (1 minute) 2-3mg/kg.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Induction apnoea reported. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Rapid
recovery, this could be slowed using alpha-2 agonist as a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;premedicant&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;ndash; one
study used 0.25mg/kg &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;medetomidine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; SC
and 5mg/kg &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Alfaxan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; IM
with excellent results&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;5.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Etomidate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; (mainly USA) (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Wildife&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;
Information Network)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Rapid recovery from single 1mg/kg IV
bolus.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Dose dependent respiratory depression, Minimal cardiovascular depression.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Midazolam &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;premed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; first prevents twitching (0.25-0.5mg/kg
IV/IM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Considered to be safer induction agent
with patients with cardiovascular depression.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;6. Of course dont forget local anaesthetics:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Ring blocks, incisional blocks, wound
infiltration all very easy.&lt;/span&gt;Can be extremely effective for longer
periods of analgesia when mixed with opioids (increase of 9 hours in one study)&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Useful but unlicensed cocktail &amp;ndash; 1mg/kg
each &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;lidocaine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;bupivicaine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;,
plus buprenorphine 0.003mg/kg.&amp;nbsp; Dilute
with saline as necessary to cover injection site.&amp;nbsp; 22 hour analgesia reported (unpublished),
(Association of Exotic Mammal Veterinarians 2009 Conference)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Lidocaine&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &amp;ndash; maximum dose 1mg/kg incision site
(AEMV 2009)&amp;nbsp; Useful as sole local
anaesthetic for immediate postop period, author&amp;rsquo;s experience &amp;ndash; very useful
between double ligated pedicles, cervix, ovarian pedicles etc.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;Don&amp;#39;t forget to use v-gels as your airway device of choice!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144441?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:06:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:6599d353-0b2f-4f26-a3e2-dcf334af498a</guid><dc:creator>Shoned Hawksworth</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We tend to use a variety of meds depending on the age and condition of the rabbit and what reason it is having a GA.&amp;nbsp; It varies between triple combo and buprenorphine/midazolam.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We give I/M or&amp;nbsp;S/C usally 15 minutes apart for the later, but preoxygenate for 15 minutes prior if it a long anaesthetic, all rabbits are tubed as it is much safer having that access, and isofluarne as required.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We do have Hypnorm but tend not to use it too often&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144439?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:49:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:49832970-f489-48e5-8231-7faf13d3b309</guid><dc:creator>Lydia123</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Wow thanks for all the replies, what about hypnorm? Isnt it the only licensed drug, does anyone use it?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144432?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:51:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:57ee3030-89e1-43c1-8cec-02004c215193</guid><dc:creator>martha</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;At my last practice all rabbits had an iv catheter placed. they would have a premed of vetergesic and midazolam, then induced with ketamine. all rabbits were intubated and maintained on iso. all GA patients had zantac, with nsaids and abs where appropriate. this worked really well, the bunnies all had a nice induction and recovery and were easily maintained. all patients also recieved fluid therapy &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Happy_smiley.png" alt="Smile" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144418?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:26:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:6369a3c9-209f-40c6-a1a8-002d41d3cb5e</guid><dc:creator>Laura Ringsell</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;At the moment... Buprenorphine 1 hour pre, then medetomidine and ketamine s/c along with meloxicam and metoclopramide at go. 5 minutes later pre oxygenate as medetomidine causes profound hypoxia within 5 minutes. If required ISO, but rarely needed with this combo. Atipamezole IV marginal ear vein, slowly over 30 seconds ( off licence along with a lot of other drugs for bunnies!)
NB I agree with Tara, there is a negligible (minutes) difference between IM and SC timings and SC is a lot less painful for as rightly said &amp;#39;big&amp;#39; doses and does not effect the drug action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144416?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:04:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:cfa8c539-7bf5-4d26-a226-287ec258423e</guid><dc:creator>Teri-Ann Baldwin</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;we use triple combo and as soon as they&amp;#39;re down maintain them on iso.. we give s/c as it&amp;#39;s a large dose to give i/m! in my old practice we just gave sed and ket and that was i/m there is a difference between the time it takes them to go down but it&amp;#39;s not actually that long (: as pain relief they get carprieve &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144414?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:52:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:745633c7-0f42-4a40-8d2f-ffa24b8cf9fb</guid><dc:creator>tara sutton</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We use a triple combo which works well with our bunnies. We give this s/c - there is little difference in time it take for the rabbit to get sleepy compared to&amp;nbsp;IM and it&amp;#39;s far less painful for the patient.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;T&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144413?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:39:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:c07421d6-37e7-4146-8b70-a839481c1fdd</guid><dc:creator>lisa Mead</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We use vetergesic im, then 20 minutes later sedator and ketamine im. All our rabbits then get metacam, Zantac and emeprid sc along with sc fluids. We maintain anaesthesia with sevo.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144403?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:00:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:a0a546e7-63b4-4bd6-91c3-1126072fffbf</guid><dc:creator>Sarah Cahill</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Triple combo i/v (marginal ear vein). Works really well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Rabbit anaesthetics ...</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/144398?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:30:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:65679790-7fed-4aeb-89a3-397c2f31cabe</guid><dc:creator>Luckychlover</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Triple combo and I/M as subcutaneous is too slow!

Then convert to anaesthetic agent once the ketamine is not working anymore

Hope this helps :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>