Aludex alternative

Re: Aludex alternative

funkyfish — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:48:11 GMT

Be careful using Ivomectins in any collie or CROSS. Its the dogs with the MDR-1 gene problem that are sensitive to it. Any collie even Shelties, Rough collies etc, and the gene has now been found in Finnish Laphunds and other Northern Breeds. These dogs are sensitive to a whole host of other drugs including Acepromazine and benzodiazapines. Their bodies just cant break them down.

There is a genetic test think its about £70 so you can test for it, so if you have a collie/collie x you can see if its ok to give it.

I assume my lurcher (his grand mother was a Border collie x whippet) has the MDR-1 gene as he is hyper sensitive to ACP/benzodiazapines etc. He is 30kg and 0.05ml ACP made him semi unconscious for 2 days! can't afford the test at the mo....

Re: Aludex alternative

chanel clydesdale — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:40:04 GMT

We are using off licence ivomec oral at the moment. Seems to work perfectly and haven't seen any dogs having any adverse side effects to it. Apparently in the states amitraz isn't used at all anymore.

Re: Aludex alternative

Sara Kendall — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:36:44 GMT

We've only had one case so not much to compare but we used Promeris on a large american bulldog type breed and the owner was very pleased with the result and product with no undesirable side effects. They've decided to stick with Promeris instead of using aludex.

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Wispa — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:12:56 GMT

we are using promeris at the moment but have recently heard about some very nasty side effects this can produce? anyone else have any experience of using it at all?

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Celine — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:41:09 GMT

Ah hadn't heard this, that's a shame as I had a rescue who became a different dog due to Aludex.

Agree with Gillian, Ivomec is great for mange, just (as she suggested) not in collies!!! Can be ?fatally toxic

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Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:16:53 GMT

My first practice (run by a real 'old-boy vet) used to use very diluted Taktic - absolutely stank and have no idea if it's even available any more, or used for Health and Safety reasons...but it had some really good results - even on a Westie which had such severe Demodex the owner had been told by three different practices to have her PTS...

We didn't dispense it to owners to use - used to have the dogs booked in for us to bath.

Re: Aludex alternative

Fuzzyduck — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:53:41 GMT

As stated above advocate doesnt work on demodex, we have been using off licence panomec also which seems to work pretty well, we dont often use aludex even when we can get it as people on anti-depressants cant use it which eliminates most clients and most people in practice!!

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m15hvn — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:21:29 GMT

hi all. we are curruntly using advocate weekly for up to six weeks for our demodex cases and seems to be working ok i know some practices are using promeris with good results but not sure about dosing. and if all else fails we will use ivomec off licence with an off licence consent from signed.

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Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:48:57 GMT

Another option is using off-license oral ivermectin (panomec). There has to be careful case selection (breed etc) and get a consent form signed but I have found it very effective in every case. And a lot easier and safer to people than aludex!

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Naomi Smart — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:09:23 GMT

Ok thanks. I will look into milbemycin. We have been using a product called taktic to bath dogs in. It is very potent stuff though and keeps setting my asthma off despite using PPE. I think it is generally only used in large animal places.

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Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:53:24 GMT

i never said it was any good, just that the vets are using it at the moment.

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Mark Hedberg — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:29:02 GMT

Depends on how often you use it, sometimes. But yes, it's not quite as dramatic as aludex, I agree.

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Julie-Anne Wilson — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:22:32 GMT

I've been wondering this. We have an EBT coming in every 2 weeks for an Aludex bath and his skin is the best it's ever been since I've been there. Advocate has been tried in the past and was pretty useless and I think we've now depleted out stock. We were hoping it'd come back before we actually ran out.

Does anyone know what's happening with it? When will we have it back?

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:35:44 GMT

No offence but Advocate is shite for demodex.... would never use it for this.... we have sourced milbemycin..(not the wormer.... cannot remember the european name). in Europe that is used for demodex successfully I may add...but costs a fortune to send over here so only insured pets are likely to be able to afford it as you need to have a licence of sorts to acquire it.

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Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:51:59 GMT

we are using advocate from bayer.