Psychogenic pu/pd

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Nicola Smith — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:29:59 GMT

Hi, he is elmanash and veredon lines. His sisters in the litter didnt have the body markings so look really like your Izzy.

I love pointy dogs - they are all gorgeous - not biased at all.

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Tracey Ison — Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:12:46 GMT

Wow Nicky he is lovely!

Izzy is a roedene whippet with veredon whippet in her lineage

They do look alike in the face ,we have seen a few whippets out and about from similar lines , we can pick them out quite easily.

What line is kendall from ?

Ruby

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Nicola Smith — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:11:20 GMT

He is gorgeous!!! His sister facially looks a bit like my boy Kendall!!

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Tracey Ison — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:21:14 GMT

Hopefully i have attached a picture of Scout ( with his "sister" Izzy). I would love to know if anyone has come across another dog like him.

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funkyfish — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:06:55 GMT

yay! Go Scout!!

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Tracey Ison — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:13:37 GMT

Great news for Scout!

No accidents or floods since we started the zylkene and road refresher bowl for drinking.

Have just dropped the zylkene to eod to see if we can phase it out

I will get around to photos , just got to figure out what i have done with them!

He won best in show at a local dog rescue last saturday, his second best in show win since we have had him .

Thanks again for all the help and advice

Ruby

Re: Psychogenic pu/pd

Alison Clare Hickman — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:57:48 GMT

Hi Ruby,

How's it going? Hope all good!!

Thinking of you and your lovely lad.

XXX Toadster

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Tracey Ison — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:44:49 GMT

I will try to attach some pictures in the next couple of days if i can get to grips with my computer.

He is a very unique looking dog ( i am very biased though) - he is a red merle and white whippet cross, i can only presume the cross element is collie because of his colouring and sight issues as he resembles a whippet so closely in appearance .His one eye is brilliant blue.His other little "mini eye" is also blue but is not easily seen.

I have yet to see another dog that looks even remotely like him and i get stopped a lot when i am out walking by people who want to take his picture.I still find it so hard to believe that he was going to be pts at a dog pound .

Still so far so good with his wetting no accidents at all for well over a week now ( it was daily) , still on zylkene and he now drinks happily from a road refresher

Thanks again to all

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Nicola Smith — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:19:32 GMT

Hi, hope you get hims sorted. Any chance of a picture?

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julie cozze — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:02:26 GMT

Hi Ruby have you thought about canine bowen at all. this should help to rebalance him. If you can find a student in your area you should be able to get it free especially if they are doing case sudies at the moment. Google canine bowen technique and go to list of practitioners.

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Tracey Ison — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:45:19 GMT

Thank you all so much for the advice.

I started him on zylkene on monday and no "floods" at all since.

I will get him a road refresher type bowl.I tend to keep the water bowl full at all times because of the other two dogs but i did notice that when he is crated overnight , he has a water bowl with a small amount of water in it ( i dont overfill it in case he knocks it over) and he doesnt touch it so it makes sense to try to replicate this during the day but not to deny all water, especially when it has been so warm.

I have watched him closely this week and he does seem to head to the water bowl if he feels stressed, for example he accidentally ran into a patio door yesterday ( hazards of being a blind dog that likes to tear around the garden at top speed!) and ran straight indoors afterwards and drank loads of water.

We have also realised that we do tend to be quite anxious when he is around his water bowl in case he does go on a mammoth guzzling session and so we now have a treat pot available so when he does get a bit ott we can encourage him away and reward him for leaving the bowl alone.

If this doesnt help, we have a list of medical investigations lined up but i do feel that this is an anxiety related problem.

Thanks again

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funkyfish — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 09:30:09 GMT

My dog had this as a pup ( he was kept crated as a baby for long periods with 8 other pups and was weaned at 3 weeks and taken from mum)- he would drink his water bowl dry 5 times over. But if I put an inch deep in the bowl he would drink what he wanted. You could try a travel bowl- where there is only a little bit in the floating surface to bee seen and more underneath.

It can be a form of compulsive disorder, in which medication such as Clomicalm can be helpfull, but meds should only be used in conjunction with behaviour modifying training, as meds do not sort the problem, the behaviour mod does- the meds help them to mood stabilise and enhance learning.

Most compulsive behaviours as due to stress, they are a coping mechanism, and so by stopping them- ie restricting water intake, you are actually increasing (potentially) his stress levels. The underlying stress needs to be managed 1st. Also it is important that the dog be taught a new behaviour that is incompatible with the compulsive one, and that doing this behaviour becomes massively important and highly rewarding to the dog. ( the BSAVA manual of behaviour has a good explanation of this and how to do it). THE DOG MUST NOT BE PUNISHED for the compulsive behaviour- even a no is punishment.

I would see a good behaviourist to help work out what his stressors are and how to manage them, this may be enough to help him with out meds, but some do need it. Try a CCAB, UKRCB, or APBC behaviourist.

Hope this helps!

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Steph Worsley — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:01:42 GMT

Hi, I would do bloods/imaging initially to rule out any underlying conditions if you haven't already done so I know you said you have done urine samples but that's not gonna tell you a huge amount really

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Alison Clare Hickman — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:28:46 GMT

If this is maybe stress-related (primary polydipsia) then have you thought about acupuncture therapy? It does sound to me as if your lovely pup has anxiety/separation issues... are there any other triggers for his anxiety perhaps and the combination of being left together with whatever the other triggers are, set him off? Also perhaps he is excessively panting through stress, gets hot, dry tongue and then drinks?

What about trying a time-release dish so he can't gorge himself? (expensive but possibly worth not having the mopping up anymore?) or a dog water bottle (can't get so much out at a time, slow release...)...

Hope this is of some use. Good luck. Will be thinking of you. Going to ask the vets tomorrow at my place to see if there are any other ideas too (will ask about the clomicalm and selgian for you)...

Toadster.