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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/utility/feedstylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/f/clinical-discussions/10850/analgesia-in-orthopaedics</link><description> Just wondering what everyones protocol is for patients undergoing orthopaedic Sx, namely on the hind limbs, FHO&amp;#39;s, CCL Repairs etc... 
 I use: Morphine/Ace as a pre med, then Epidural using Morph/Ligno Hydrochloride. As this last +/- 23 hrs, I dont</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98880?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:01:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:8fb7ef93-7325-4e23-85df-9ada9bd4df9d</guid><dc:creator>BengalcatRVN</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Nick BATFINK Shackleton Dip AVN(surg)VN MBVNA&amp;quot;]
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Emily Smith RVN&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ideally the Fentanyl patch should be applied the day before the surgery.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Would like to give a word of warning if placing patches pre-surgery. If warming devices are used such as heat pads, warm air blankets etc... if the skin where the patch has been placed is warmed this will increase the blood supply to the area causing increased uptake of drugs and may lead to possible overdose.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;This is going to sound really stupid,&amp;nbsp; but I never thought about that. &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Oh_my_God_smiley.png" alt="Surprise" /&gt; How silly of me is that! We don&amp;#39;t use them at my clinic but if we do, then I&amp;#39;ll definatly remember this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just never crossed my mind. Guess it&amp;#39;s the same with all patches, animal or human. lol, smokers might lean against radiators to get a nice big hit from their patches now! &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/tongue-in-cheek.gif" alt="Tongue-in-cheek" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98873?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:36:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:23266ea7-cd1d-48b1-aa8f-7520fbee48df</guid><dc:creator>Emma Townson  VN Cert IV MBVNA</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks guys for all your tips :) Nick, I will look into giving methadone - the morph really does make them throw up! Only good thing is - can catch out oweners who say their dogs have had no food this morning and they V+ undigested biscuts that are still hard...!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98701?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:04:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:6f70d23c-cef0-44d2-8e6b-c23271440a3c</guid><dc:creator>Phrin Vernon RVN</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;When I used to work in referral, I&amp;#39;m pretty sure we placed the fentanyl patch at the end of surgery, and used injectable analgesia for the first 24 hrs for that very reason Nick&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98655?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:21:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:0db3924b-917e-43e3-acce-3812e9f59de2</guid><dc:creator>Nick Shackleton </dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Emily Smith RVN&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ideally the Fentanyl patch should be applied the day before the surgery.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Would like to give a word of warning if placing patches pre-surgery. If warming devices are used such as heat pads, warm air blankets etc... if the skin where the patch has been placed is warmed this will increase the blood supply to the area causing increased uptake of drugs and may lead to possible overdose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98632?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:36:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:65681aec-1a62-469a-b645-9d9c68c1acd2</guid><dc:creator>Emily Smith RVN</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We don&amp;#39;t do many orthpaedics in practice but ops such as amputations and cruciates we normally use acp/morphine premed, local infiltration around joint and wound before closure and we apply a Fentanyl patch. NSAIDs are also given usually at the time of premed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We then repeat the Morphine after 4 hrs and give Vetergesic before going home as the Fentanyl patch takes 12-24hrs to take effect. Ideally the Fentanyl patch should be applied the day before the surgery.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hope this helps &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Happy_smiley.png" alt="Smile" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Emily&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98623?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:7a909bbc-37f8-4957-978f-51ae10cd4e27</guid><dc:creator>laurad</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;doing a hindlimb disarticulation or cclr we use a ketamine infusion peri op, acp/vet premed, local infiltration around wound on closure and then subsequent vetergesic. This seems to work really well for our patients. They have a nice recovery from the op&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analgesia in Orthopaedics</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/98601?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:50:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:e4ab051b-9af2-4026-874d-970b02a13ff4</guid><dc:creator>Nick Shackleton </dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like good protocols.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally I prefer methadone to morphine, less likely to cause vomiting which can cause&amp;nbsp;oesophagitis.&amp;nbsp;And for those naughty patients we&amp;#39;d give papaveretum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also try&amp;nbsp;implementing the use of pain scoring post op. we used to grade our patient every four hours and give them top ups as required, even if they have had a epidural. We used to use the Short Form of the Glasgow Pain Scale. It&amp;#39;s available here&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/painandwelfareresearchgroup/downloadacutepainquestionaire/"&gt;http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/painandwelfareresearchgroup/downloadacutepainquestionaire/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The score is made up of 4 section, giving a total score out of 24, if mobility is impaired one section is missed out giving a total score of 20.&amp;nbsp;Analgesia&amp;nbsp;is recommended on a score less than/equal to 6/24 or 5/20 depending on how many sections are used.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also remember with epidurals that you need to palpate patient bladders as can cause urine retention..&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also used ketamine and fentanyl (both injectable and fentanyl trans-dermal patches).&amp;nbsp;Have used ketamine and fentanyl both as boluses and as a infusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We also used to put local / opiates intra-articular pre-op.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For forelimb surgery could look at doing b. plexus blocks.&lt;/p&gt;
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